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2005-05-29
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Your customers and prices

Hi all

I would love to learn who your customers are - for inspiration - and also what you charge for each panorama. I think it would be great to share theese kind of experiences, and see how it is from country to country.

My customers are currently mostly camping sights and restaurants. I try to keep away from realtors. In Denmark there is a lot of competitors in this segment, so the price is forced below an acceptable level.

 

Currently my pricestructure is:

 

1 panorama              200euro

4 panoramas             666euro

 

Do any of you charge extra for replacing the tripod with the customers logo?? I do, otherwise I use it as a commercial for my company.

 

Best regards

 

WideEyes - a newbie trying to improve  


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Hi All,
Hey Smooth, you know what they say about people who pay peanuts,
They get monkeys!! lol ( no offence to you I know your quality work)
I stopped negotiating "cheap rates" with real estates a few years ago, our standard real estate license is $242.00aud for three vrs + stills
This a pretty rough and raw shoot I usually spend no more than 30 mins on site and an hour on production, it is based roughly on my hourly rate of $120 for my time. I have steered right away from real estate jobs and more towards corporate over the last three years, I really only service a few loyal clients in the real estate industry who want quality work and stills, a job shot today was $550 for one vr and about 70 stills of a complex and two hours travel time.
My standard rate for corporate is $300 per vr though I am currently doing a 300 vr job which the client got a substantial discount on. If everyone sticks to their guns on pricing for quality product the value of the product is increased across the board and industry. It is backyarders who have know care for industry that push out for crap vrs for $99 I have seen about four companys start and close their doors over four years because of ineffective pricing.
"To he who has ears let him hear"
Cheers, Craig


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Hi vrboy / Craig

I have just visited your page and saw some examples of virtual tours of not yet existing buildings. I was just wondering how you made those virtual tours. Did you use autocad or??

 

Hope you can help me

 

Best regards

 

Morten

a newbie trying to improve

 

 


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LOL....Realtors. Thats funny

I stay away from most of them too. In my area there are a lot of properties over 3 milliion so I have a few TOP PRODUCERS that will pay for a "real virtual tour". Commision on a 3 million dollar property for the listing realtor is about $100,000 after the split with the broker. I figure the agent is getting $100,000 dollars then they can afford $500 bucks for a good virtual tour. If they can't pay that I tell them to call I*** and get one of those 4 image tours where you can't see out the windows and the awful seam in the middle. LOL.

You should ALWAYS base your price on what it cost you to produce the product. NEVER base you price on what others are charging. I was having trouble a few years ago selling virtual tours. I doubled my price and stood behind my product. Immediatly I started getting more sales. People want quality and if you can deliver it they will pay. But quality at a cheap price makes people nervous. I am not saying you gouge your clients Iam saying that you charge for what it is worth.

I don't do the $100 I**X  stuff. That is a joke. I don't know how you can make any money at that price range.

In my market I charge about the same as you. That is very intersting.

 200 eu equals about $250 us.

For realestate I charge a little less because the images have a limited time of use.

For vacation rentals or Resorts or attractions I charge a lot more becasue the images are being used for much longer.

Realestate stuff is around $750 and vacation rental stuff is around $1000 to $3000 including still shots and web site. This is based on about 6 to 8 images. If its over 10 images then its about $200 for each additional shot.

 Put it this way. I don't get my camera out of the bag for less than $75 an hour total from shoot to delivery.

The tripod cap is not negotiable. I always place the tripod cap with my credit in every image I produce. If the client does not want the cap or want to put one in with there logo the Price triples and I am not kidding. If they want to take the credit off I look at it like they were buying the negatives. You have to get credit. I don't trust " a link at the bottom of our page". They will take that off in 2 days. I have been really screwed before with the photo credit and I lost a lot of business because of it. It was a high profile client and I got absolutly no credit and there for no further business from the project. Another shop got the follow up stuff becasue the client represented my work as there own and sent the work to another shop who had "contacts" with  my client. Never again, Unless they pay for the negatives!!!!!!!

Gen. Lee


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My idea for vacation rentals, is to charge one half of the weekly high season rental charge. So, high season a house rents for 1000 Euros p/w. I therefor charge 500 Euros (plus expenses over 35km) for 4 stand alone panos. I do however have a minimum charge of 300 and a max of 1000. If the client wants hotspots, view through the window etc then thats extra. I'm also hoping to persuade most people to let me host the files for them, at 50 Euros per year. That could be good if I eventually host 200 vacation rentals (10,000Euros a year for doing nothing).

Of course I am just starting out and so have not actually been paid for anything yet!! I do have some work based on these charges lined up though.

Good argument from Gen. Lee about tripod caps and branding. I had not thought of it so seriously but I will now.

Cheers
Glenn


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For realtor work the mirror from www.eyesee360.com could be a valid alternative to offer a "Low Budget Pano". Their software Photowarp is a masterpiece for the batch conversion of the round mirror pics into panos for Quicktime, PTViewer and FlashVR. Of course cylindrical and low resolution - but also valid if you have moving subjects.
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I have wanted to experiment with one of these for a while now. I think it has uses in certain situations. Especially in crowd scenes. There are situaltions where you can't use a rotator. For example I have wanted to capture a pano image from a parasail. Impossilbe with a rotator setup but with the one shot you coud do it.

For cheap realtor stuff...heck a 2 shot hemi with an old 995 will do.

 


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I have a 0-360 one shot lens and the results for budget tours/panos is OK. If you pay me peanuts this is what you get. www.smooth360.com/oneshot

These were shot with a Nikon Coolpix 5000 + 0-360 One Shot Lens with some post production work in Photoshop (Sharpening etc.)

Usable but you wouldn't want to display any bigger than this.

You get 6 stills + 4 Panos 12 months hosting + Memory CD on sale for $399.00 AUD + GST10%

Regards, Smooth


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Hi Smooth,

I checked your link out. YIKES....I see what you mean about peanuts. hehehe..

The quality is not up there with a 3 shot FC-E8 for sure. Why is the quality so bad? Is it seems to me the one shot should make a better pano than that.

I am assuming it is their unwarping software. I guess the algorythms used to unwarp the image need to be improved.

Of course you are capturing the entire scene on one shot which means the optics have to compress the WHOLE image onto the CCD in one exposure. No doubt you are going to loose detail this way.

Smooth, can you increase the quality any on post production or is that as good as it gets...peanuts aside.

Gen. Lee


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ROFL

That is improved! LOL

Mate you are taking a picture of a mirror reflection.

They are bad but I seen worse offered up by many Realtors from all over the world.

The unwrapping is not bad in fact it works just fine! Believe me when I tell you one shot lenses don't come any better than the 0-360 and what you see on my site is indicative of fair to good results.

I offer it only for those who want a cheap virtual tour to sell their house and aren't willing to pay much. Sales results are good and the customers happy. So they won't win any awards but they fill a price bracket and they are easy cash.

The funny thing is I have had the so called "experts" tell me they can see the stitching seams! LOL

Regards, Smooth 


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Hi
I have a 0-360/Sony F717, nikon 5700/FCE9 & Nikon D70/Sigma 8mm. Whilst I agree about spherical over cylindrical in terms of absolute quality - I do not agree that the 0-360 route gives neccessarily poor quality images. The Sony F717 has a superb Carl Zeiss lens and the quality of image in a 400x300 window is more than fine - it can be excellent!!! and window flare can be addressed using blend/PS as has been discussed here many times.
Where it does fall down is FOV, its ok in confined areas where up/down is restricted anyway, but outside or in large areas like halls/churchs etc it is too restrictive.
The big advantage is that the process is quick and therefore allows for a wider range of work to be undertaken competitivly.
It is also good for crowd scenes, where ONE SHOT means you do not have post production problems in stitching etc.
Alan

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