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How did they do that?

Hi there

Just saw this (followed a link in a previous post). How do you think you can put together an animated panorama? Haven't figured it out yet!

http://www.devalvr.com/birnestudio/index2.html


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Quote: Originally posted by smooth on April-29-2006

DevalVR is ActiveX based and using this is a powerful feature as it has access to all installed software on your computer. I.E: Media Player and installed components etc. Tricky yes! Security risk = Yes! and unfortunately not cross platform, although now Apple use Intel that could all change shortly.


Hi Smooth,

I must explain that DevalVR does not access to any software or any other thing in the client computer. The viewer only opens a new HIDDEN web page with the required animation (Internet url) and show it like an image into the panorama.

No security risk. The risk is the same that to open any of these pages:
http://www.devalvr.com/birnestudio/leva-3b.html
http://www.devalvr.com/birnestudio/parcussita.html
http://www.devalvr.com/birnestudio/topala-r2.html

I hope to create a Mac version this year for the new Mac-Intels :)

best regards!

fiero


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Fiero,

Mate, I'm not anti your product. But ActiveX is ActiveX and it is (or at least can be) a security risk. I appreciate your work and I take on-board what you say about only opening one "hidden" webpage to control your program/viewer combo. Yet we all know that your plug-in file is very small and not self contained (meaning it needs outside programs to help it run). To gain access to media player (this is a program installed on the users computer) that you get control of via the hidden webpage to allow music and video etc. So as I said you are using programs outside of your plug-in to assist in using your DevalVR plug-in.

The first time we spoke you tried telling me you could do Apple versions in ActiveX and that Quicktime was ActiveX. I disagreed then and still do today. ActiveX is a Microsoft product! Security warnings abound - you only need enter "ActiveX Security Risks" in to a Google search to see this first hand.

Again, I congratulate you on the progress you have made with your ActiveX Plug-in and I wish you all the best with future tasks. It's good also to see you removed the "yearly fee" you tried at the beginning.

I might have supported this project of yours right from the beginning but for the denials of ActiveX security risks.

All that said, ActiveX is not all bad! In fact it is a great idea in theory and can be in practice. So long as you "trust" the developer. In your case I do - you have proved to be in it for the long run and I have seen many improvements over the time.

Regards, Smooth


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Of course, Smooth. I know that you installed and tested my plugin (panoguide posts) and I'm grateful for your trust  (My post was not for auto-defense, only to give information)

I only want to explain some things of as the program works, so that the people don't think that the plugin does rare things in the system. Of course, I speak in a friendly tone, also to learn some things that I do not understand, we all are in the same ship ;). Security risk is a important issue, and I would like to speak on this topic, maybe this forum is not the correct way ? maybe panoguide forum?

One thing that I don't understand is when you say that you disagree with me when I say that QuickTime is an ActiveX plugin. Internet Explorer only uses ActiveX technology and Java, then, all IE plugins are ActiveX plugins. When I view the installed ActiveX plugin in my system I can see: QuickTime object, Shockwave object, Shockwave Flash object, DevalVRX, etc...

Of course, I agree, an ActiveX can contain some bug that can be used by a malicious webmaster to crash the client browser. All programs have bugs, this is the continuous work for programmers, to correct these bugs ...

I don't understand another thing. If any Java applet opens a new web page with Macromedia Flash content, would you say that Java needs of external programs for his working? This concept is not important, but I think is incorrect to say that DevalVR requires external programs only by to open a web page. If Macromedia flash is not installed, the Birnegroup demo does not work, but this demo uses Flash5, installed in 97% of computers around the world. Another option could be an animation in GIF format, for the plugin is the same, because it only shows the content of the page into the panorama. In the case of a GIF animation only the browser is running, it would be incorrect to say that DevalVR requires the browser for its working.

In the past, Deval Software was 4 partners, and the viewer only open his own image format. In the company was adopted the decision of to sell a format conversor program to recover the money inverted in the program development, with a "yearly fee" or "uses fee". That was a BAD decision. A Internet program must be a Open program, not a Closed program. Now, Deval Software (Phoscode is our new name), we are two partners, and my partner and me decided to make the viewer totally free and support for the most popular formats QTVR and JPEG. This was a good decision.

best regards

fiero


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Agreed Fiero,

You speak well, and it is good you are upfront and honest. Your program is very good and people should test it out.

Just one point: Quicktime can operate outside of a browser and without the use of an ActiveX plug-in because it is a stand alone program (Same for Flash). The ActiveX plug-in is only to assist in it being displayed within an Internet Explorer browser.

Many thanks to you for easing the apprehension of people who would like to use your AxtiveX plug-in.

Keep up the great work.

Regards, Smooth


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looks like a nice bit of livestage editing mate, but could be wrong...
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DevalVR is ActiveX based and using this is a powerful feature as it has access to all installed software on your computer. I.E: Media Player and installed components etc. Tricky yes! Security risk = Yes! and unfortunately not cross platform, although now Apple use Intel that could all change shortly.

It has nothing to do with Live Stage Pro. Live Stage is Quicktime only.

Regards, Smooth


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Cool!

I'd love to have a bash at it - was that just a simple animated gif placed over the pano then?

This could be useful but could just be yet another thing to cry over!

Ta all

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Would that be possible in TW?
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That is amazing.  I'd guess it's a bit more than an animated gif?  If anyone knows please fill us in.
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Here is how they did that:

http://geoimages.berkeley.edu/wwp1205/html/BirneGruppe.html