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IPIX and Panoweaver-created images

Hi there,

I don't want to spoil the fun with your software, but as a web developer in germany I was wondering how save it would be to make and sell complete 360 degree panoramas using 2 fisheye pics with panoweaver.

I have a large hotel group waiting who want to use several hundret panos and display them on their website. This is a large international company and I am certain that IPIX will (at least by reading here ;) get knowledge of these panoramas beeing used on their website (using Helmut Dersch's applet).

I have no knowledge that IPIX has a legal patent here in germany - all I read ist that they don't.

So makers of Panoweaver please prove to me (and your fellow forum readers) that it's save to use Panoweaver and Dersch's applet on commercial websites.

Thank you.

Brandon


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Wait,.. can panoweaver be used for comercial virtual tours in the USA? Are there any legal problems? or could there be any legal problems from "ipix" ?

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Honestly, a completed panorama can be done in many ways, not necessary to be using two fisheye, however the end result you can isthe same that is a panorama, so how will anyone knows what software you use to stitch isnt it? I can take many rows of shots with a 14mm lens and stitch it will realviz and I still get abot tyhe same result as two fisheye isn it? so..... i dun get it..how a threat it will be for us panorama developers.. right?
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"yowsiang" asks, " ... so how will anyone knows what software you use to stitch ...?"

As we al know, a right-click on the webpage and a left-click on "view source" is all it takes to reveal the source code for that page, including all the code for the panorama applet.  Even if you remove all references to Panoweaver or easypano, the applet will still contain

                    archive = "ptviewer.jar" code = "ptviewer.class"

By studying the applet code, its not too difficult to determine which software was used to build the panorama.

Having said that just sparked an idea!  Hey Panorama Technology- how about adding a built-in uploader with encryption on uploading-  ???


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ckordus commented:

Wait,.. can panoweaver be used for comercial virtual tours in the USA? Are there any legal problems? or could there be any legal problems from "ipix" ?

It's my understanding that only the spherical build, using ptviewer, may violate the copyright of that iP_X company (I think the forum rules warn against getting into discussion against other companies.  Say, that reminds me, where are those forum rules that appeared when we joined this forum?  Does anyone know how to access them, 'cause I can't find any access to them???).  But I digress.  Back to my "understanding", which I do not profess to be Gospel (or even "gospel")- only the way I think things are.  I think the cubic build does not risk copyright infringement.  While the panorama is still built using only two fisheye hemispheres, that process utilizes Apple's QuickTime technology, which does not violate iP_X copyrights.

Since I hate to spread false information, if anyone out there knows differently, please advise.


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erm.. that is not true, because ptviewer is just a viewer, the issue is on the fisheye lens stiching and not the viewer, like I said i can use 35mm and do panorama like realviz method and still use ptviewer as the viewer.. see?
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I see. Hmmmmmm.
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Anyway I am really looking forward to the 3hemisphere stitching from panoweaver version 3, hopefully it will be ready by early december...
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I'm about to embark in this field of virtual tours for the residential real estate market.

For the past 2 + weeks, I've been investigating the best way to accomplish this. Which camera to purchase, lens, rotator, software, etc.

I was really trying to get away from the 10. rip off fee per room that one company charges to do this.

I need the answer to Brandon's question: quote, "So makers of Panoweaver please prove to me (and your fellow forum readers) that it's save to use Panoweaver and Dersch's applet on commercial websites."

Can anyone answer this? Is anyone using Panoweaver to make virtual tours for residential real estate??? (My question would mainly be for U.S. markets)

Thanks!!!
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Bobby,

There are several perfectly legal ways to accomplish your goal but please keep a couple things in mind when addressing the forum:

  • trust ONLY YOUR OWN LAWYER for legal advice!!!  Consider even the best advice from other sources as "opinion" and not "gospel."
  • assume that iP_X is keeping a close eye on it's competition, including monitoring forums such as this.  They have proven that they love to intimidate and to sue.

The following site and it's various links should be helpful with both hardware and software solutions:

http://www.kaidan.com


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Bobby,

Before you invest too much time and $$$ in doing tours for the real estate market, have you taken a close look at your competition in that market?  Following is an e-letter from CirclePix.com:

Circlepix, A National leader in providing Virtual Tours for $59.99, is excited to
announce our New Photographer team to the ______ area (and surrounding areas).  Due to the large # of tours throughout ______, we have recently expanded our photographer team to help us provide the best and quickest service in the Industry. 
Come try us out today!!

We want to show you today why we are the fastest growing virtual tour company in the Nation, at our risk! Our standard 5 shot Virtual Tour is at the everyday price of $59.99. But during the next few weeks, every NEW Circlepix customer in this area will receive their first Virtual Tour for HALF PRICE, just for trying us out. Yes, that is $30!!! (promotion expires 1-10-03)

Also, Circlepix does a Master Tour which includes 10 virtual pictures and 10 still pictures for $89.99 (half price is $45). Try us out today and let us win you over with our great customer service and knowledgeable staff. Let us win you over for life. One trial is all we'll need! www.circlepix.com/products.htm (sample tour)

Additionally, the National Association of REALTORS national website (www.REALTOR.com) is owned/operated by a private enterprise (www.HomeStore.com) which  has a contractual agreement with iP_X and has, in fact, purchased the exclusive rights to their real estate software.  As such, REALTORS are encouraged to order virtual tours from HomeStore, through their local MLS (Multiple Listing Services).  Again, the HomeStore prices are based on low margin and high national volume.

As always, there's room for competition, but don't count on competing price-wise.  My advice is to offer a high-quality custom product.  Concentrate on REALTORs who are moving large volumes of properties (any price range) and/or REALTORs who seem to concentrate on higher-priced properties.

Good luck!


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